When the MTA was created in 1968 it was a state agency so their onus for city planning was reduced. I will never stop fighting for the RBB. It would also leave the 4/5 the only north-south line on the east side which would clog them up even more. Its first phase, the 2-mile 96th to 63rd stretch of track has funding secured and is expec… This multimedia Google map provides an overview of the future Second Avenue Subway line which, in Phase I, is an extension of the existing Q Line. Jamaica would also have dual 6th, 8th Av, and Nassau service. C trains would replace J/Z trains, through with the extra capacity some J trains could also run from Jamaica to Chamber St via Fulton St using the Nassau St connection within the Montague Tunnel. At just 1.6 miles, with just three new stations, the second phase of the Second Avenue subway would be Planet Earth’s most expensive subway line on a per-mile basis – by far. Then the BMT Broadway local tracks would have to be connected to the former express tracks which run to the Manhattan Bridge. So building a branch of the Fulton Exp will give Jamaica riders a faster one seat ride. I didn’t show it because the yards would also need to be expanded to handle the longer cars and I’m not familiar with yard design to know what exactly would be needed. When originally planned in the first half of the 20th Century the 2nd Ave Subway was part of the IND system, the A/B/C/D/E/F/G lines built by the city. Even riders in South Brooklyn want 6 Av service, so this is why the M should not be eliminated because even if the B or D get diverted, the M could be used to replace B/D service in South Brooklyn. The express provisions would allow for a future expansion south of Grand St Station which would be more cost effective if it was to swing west under Park Row and then connect to the Nassau St Subway just south of Chambers St Station to allow for trains to use Nassau St and the Montague Tunnel to reach Brooklyn. That along gives riders a faster one seat ride to lower Manhattan than even the express J does today. In this plan, the D should be extended to Atlantic Avenue for the reasons you mentioned. With no express tracks this leaves the northern end of 2nd Av acting as a branch line rather than a trunk line. This might be needed anyway if the new flying junction is built below it. While I’m sure many people would like to see infill express stations I think the connection to Fulton St express would suffice. Second Avenue Subway Full Project Profile. The new Jamaica Ave Subway would have a connection to the ENY Yards. And then you’d lose the redundancy on Broadway-4th Ave where it’s most needed. The Concourse and 8 Av lines simply don’t have enough capacity. Now Comes the Hard Part: Actually Building a 2nd Avenue Subway", "Second Avenue Subway in the Borough of Manhattan, New York County, New York Final Environmental Impact Statement And Final Section 4(f) and Section 6(f) Evaluation", "Cuomo: Second Ave. subway to open New Year's Day", "Cuomo Ideas for New York City: Some Are Old, Some Are New", "Next Mayor Faces Expensive Challenges on Basic Services and Repairs", "Manhattan East Side Transit Alternatives (MESA)/Second Avenue Subway Summary Report", "METRO NEWS BRIEFS: NEW YORK; M.T.A. Also I feel that the ridership wouldn’t justify the extra cost. At some point. They would both terminate at Rockaway Park-B 116th St. Now if you combine the plans in this post and my plans in tis comment, and I think we could see so many more riders on the 8th,6th,2nd,and Broadway Lines. If there are any new trunk lines from Queens to Midtown they would best be simple crosstown lines and not interfere with the existing trunk lines. Its a express version of the E full length. What would need to happen is that the BMT Broadway express tracks would have to dive really deep just south of Prince St station and then curve below private property and the IRT Lex to reach the BMT Jamaica Line. I’m also suspect of the geology in the area as to how much could be built underground. If not, how about using THEM for some form of QUICK ACCESS TO JAMAICA instead of running more trains on Queens Blvd (which may not be able to handle extra traffic, especially on the local tracks, to get to 63 Drive in the first place)? This frees up capacity on 6th Av to be used to serve Williamsburg; the express tracks at 2nd Av Station were built for a future tunnel to Williamsburg but the service could be reimagined for cheaper. Second Avenue Subway Phase 1 (MTACC-SAS) Project. Just truncate the F to 53rd and it can provide direct service because today, passengers transfer to the E at Union Tpke due to it being more direct. It tracks programs, and also maps them so you can see the progress of projects near you. The trip from Jamaica to lower Manhattan is too long via the J, even during rush hour. The letters O and I are too easily confused with the digits 0 and 1, respectively. 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SUBWAY BY ESTIMATE BOARD", "Dwindling Transit Funds; Most of Half-Billion Voted for a 2d Ave. Since then the MTA has been focused more on maintaining the crumbling system rather than expanding it. I know that this is a map for the SAS, but the Queens Bypass should be built with the Port Washington Branch converted to subway operations. I love your creative way of doing this. trains, 1 in the 53rd Street tunnel, and 1 in the 63rd Street tunnel. Some tranfser at Liberty/Woodhaven should be available between the W from Ozone Park and the super-express A. I agree that connecting the Fulton St line to the Atlantic Branch is better than installing a peak-direction track on Jamaica Av solely due to the fact that it allows for full-time super-express service in both directions, not simply one-way. The BMT Broadway, IRT Lexington Av, and BMT Jamaica Lines are all built a roughly the same depth below the street. Yes, that eliminates the one-seat ride on the existing Broadway-Brooklyn line (as the (D) is this proposal would at the existing Broadway Junction station on that line with the line past there to Cypress Hills demolished (and replaced by a new subway line between Broadway Junction and Cypress Hills via new connections from the Fulton Street Line), but it also does eliminate slow curves that likely makes a two-seat ride (especially since Broadway Junction would be the terminal for new Broadway-Brooklyn trains). [12], "IND Second Avenue Line" redirects here. Manhattan - Midtown. On December 31, 2016 the first phase of the long awaited 2nd Ave Subway opened from 63rd St/Lexington Av to 96th St/2nd Av. . Select in-system transfers that have been confirmed if the full-length line is constructed. Riders coming from Brooklyn and wanting to continue to Queens can just walk straight across the platform and vise versa for riders coming from Queens going to Brooklyn. The third track would be installed, and between Cypress Hills and Broadway Junction, the express track would bypass these stops by going over Jamaica Avenue. On the Second Avenue line, too, the stations, which account for most of the cost, are lavish structures with huge mezzanines. But after the euphoria died down and commuters began to adjust to the new line the inevitable question of “what’s next” came up. I just don’t see why you badly want the J/W to go that way when it is redundant. 7 Av will become a major bottleneck, and there will also be a lot of merging delays. Second Avenue Subway Phase 1 (MTACC-SAS) Project . Again, as mentioned, at least one Second Av train should run through Montague, into Hoyt-Schmerhorn, merging with the LIRR Atlantic Branch and taking over LIRR service to Jamaica Center. Just north of Court Sq (G) a double crossover can be installed and on the Manhattan bound tracks approaching Queens Plaza station the single crossover can be upgraded to a double. South of the station will be three double crossover switches to enable trains from Queens to terminate at 55th St if need be. This would increase its ridership and reduce crowding on the E. I don’t think that splitting the line into two is necessary. -Finally, add 2 S.A.S. The biggest reason for fewer station on RBB isn’t NIMBYs but travel times; I don’t believe the super-express track will be built so to speed up travel times there will be fewer stations. However I don’t agree with the elimination of the (M) and (Z) lines. Here you would lower TPH on the E and F, for 12 TPH for each service. The V would run via 63rd Street and the Bypass to 179th Street. That is why I would have V trains running via SAS and the Queens Bypass take over the local east of Continental, allowing the E and F to skip 75th and Briarwood. The Fulton Line runs at 50% capacity, max, because the four tracks are truncated into two to allow trains to navigate the Cranberry St Tubes. The E needs that service, and it would be a bad idea to cut it. A better option is to connect 2nd Ave to the Nassau St Subway just south of Chambers St so that it could continue on to Brooklyn. 55th St is a bit of a misnomer since it will most likely have an entrance at 57th St but the reason for locating the station further south than, say, 59th St is due to the need for the junction with the 63rd St Tunnel. The trunk/branch system is not unique to NYC but what is unique is that NYC has multiple trunks that interface with one another via reverse branching. Otherwise you’d be building a much larger terminal and that increases costs. But due to the location of Phase 4 the new line won’t allow for transfers to any downtown stations with access to Brooklyn. Construction took 5 years and cost $59,500,000 in 1940, $1,034,783,763 in today’s dollars (based on conversion from https://westegg.com/inflation/). Second, the B or D should run on the Jamaica EL, but not both. There are four tracks on the BMT Jamaica Line on the Centre/Delancey Street portion, and two have gone unused, along with a whole other station at Bowery. Also, great consideration of the flyover at Myrtle Broadway! Metropolitan Transportation Authority New York, New York March 1 to March 31, 2010. In 2011, turquoise was considered "the color of the year", and at the time of the color's selection in the 2000s, it was also considered a very upscale color. The Broadway, Lexington and Crentre st lines all run at the same depth so connecting them is far more complicated that you’d think. A great redesign I fear the city won’t even consider. The underlying fault of the current iteration of the 2nd Ave Subway is that it’s being designed as a single entity when every other line in the system, and the original concept for the 2nd Ave Subway, were all designed as parts of a larger network. Enhance. Note: This post is not a fully realized futureNYCSubway proposal but rather a plea for planners to reconsider what is being planned for 2nd Ave. But if we could piggy back onto that a secondary network then building a circuitous route around the city would be far cheaper and more effective. Then it will follow the Q train to 63rd Street. The current plan for 2nd Av was finalized in 2004 (with adjustments as construction costs rose) with Phase 1 opening 12 years later. Plans for a bi-level terminal at Hanover Sq were scaled back to a single island platform and tail tracks pointing towards Brooklyn. Michael Horodniceanu, who was president of MTA’s Capital Construction division from 2008 to 2017, oversaw much of the first phase of the Second Avenue subway construction. Have the line run via Third Avenue and Park Avenue in the Bronx before turning east via Pelham Parkway to Co-Op City. Even with the reuse of the existing tunnels the current price tag is around $6 billion which has given many pause since Phase 1, which did included new tunnels, clocked in at $4.5 billion. What may come as a shock to riders is that the MTA does not actually see the last two phases as a priority. The Centre St Subway has some of the lowest ridership numbers and those who use it often transfer to uptown trains anyway. You even extended the W to Euclid due to lack of demand, so it would make sense from my proposal. The first plan for 2nd Ave-QB I had had H trains running close to 15tph and V trains at 10tph. The Queens Blvd service well never be perfect. I know the curves on Park Row are very sharp, but it won’t FULLY alleviate crowds on the 4/5/6. Jaded New Yorkers, exhausted by nearly a decade of construction work, made their way down through the new stations to marvel at the accomplishment. If the 7 could be expanded then ok but the Steinway tunnels are too narrow. The reason I don’t have a station at Broadway-125 St is that the tail tracks need to be long enough to handle close to 30tph. The more I think about it the more I reconsider the Broadway terminal. A layup track should be installed between 106th Street and 116th Street for flexibility. 3) I think you can forget about the availability of the former LIRR tracks in Queens (with the Queensway Rail Trail a virtual certainty). Love the new map! The D train should be hooked to the Atlantic Branch and run to Jamaica Center, while the A/C diverts from the Atlantic Branch at Woodhaven Blvd and serves the Rockaways, except the A would utilize the severed express tracks, running express from Atlantic Av to Broad Channel. 01 OP20-OP26, OP33, OP34, OP37, OP40, OP 41, OP53, OP54 These new stations have been may decades in the making, from its first proposal in the early part of the 20th century, through limited construction in the 1970s, and finally seen to completion of the first 3 … People who live in between the Eastern Parkway and Fulton Street Lines who want to get to the East Side would use the crowded 4 and 5. The Great White Whale of New York transit lore had finally been bested and we were lost in the moment, celebrating the fact that the city had fulfilled a promise nearly 90 years old. While it is redundant, it should still be kept for Nassau Riders willing to access Lower Manhattan living on Jamaica. Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps. Provisions were built into the line for future integration with the 2nd Av Line as well (which was built as part of the 63rd St Tunnel and is in use today by the F and Q trains). It is probably worth it, especially given the growth of Columbia in Manhattanville. We are designing the world’s most expensive subway and it won’t help most New Yorkers. Here’s how we can change that. Since there will always be more riders headed to Manhattan that needs to be the first priority. That seems needlessly complicated and excessive for Rockaway needs. The key would be to run a connecting track from the Atlantic LIRR to the Fulton express IND somewhere east of Broadway Junction so that the Fulton express trains can become super-express to the east of Broadway Junction. It is also not good because it is even redundant. If you are going to keep this service pattern, the center tracks should be orange. second avenue subway. 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